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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 18, 2011 9:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: "happy hippie" music?!?

"Happy hippie songs"? Now that's interesting. What do they MEAN? Where do you think they got that impression?

I'm guessing it's more from the modern-day (read: last 15 years) jam band scene than the GD -- and even then, perhaps more the vibe than the reality (not that I'm up on the jam band scene, as you've undoubtedly noted from my Phish bashing, LOL.) They see balloons and twirling people with rainbow colors and think "happy hippie smiley-face fuzzy-wuzzy peace-and-woo-woo crap" and then project that onto the GD.

Or, wait. Maybe it's these tunes:

Jack Straw from Wichita
Fed his buddy granola ...

All of my friends came to see my last night
I was lyin' in my bed thinking of rainbows ...

I know that the life I'm livin's so good
I'll make a new spirit bag
Put a crystal inside
I'll get up and dance away, dance away ...

Yeah, I see what they mean. Happy hippie music.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

nice!

I think many folks have this psychological stigma in their brains without really listening to the songs. They might hear a quiet, unassuming song like Franklin's Tower or Row Jimmy and think "hippy dippie" without REALLY listening to it - and lets face it, the songs are where many folks who haven't been exposed to the realms of jazz and other improv music are going to get their foot in the door for the most part.

I guess I'm sort of saying the same thing you are in that if the stigma of hippie could be removed from the band certain people would maybe give them a chance. But I just don't think it is always necessarily the fault of later day jam bands.

Some exposure could lend people to think just the opposite;
Take for instance my friends who think Phish "rocks" because they hear some wicked guitar jamming, and don't even listen to the inane songs, and the Dead are boring because all they've heard is the Skeletons From the Closet album on repeat. Hopefully that makes sense? It's late and my brain is done working for the day...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-10-19 07:28:23

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

"the Dead are boring because all they've heard is the Skeletons From the Closet album on repeat."

This is the experience I have had. I know far too many people that do actually listen to dead, put on studio shit. They then tell me "there are others band out there ya know"

SIGH!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

A pain I know all too well. I just don't get it! You listen to LIVE Phish, LIVE Umprheys, but not LIVE Dead????!! If only they could hear the true magic!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

yea its crazy. I mean umphrees?

I have a buddy who was crazy into bass nectar last year and I would give him some shit about it. I asked him about that band this year and he shrugged saying bass nectar sucks. He may not get the dead but at least he came to this realization.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2011 1:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

Not so much the "fault;" just the way the scene evolved, which IMO really started happening in the late '80s or so with what I think of as the 2nd generation of Deadheads/hippies (maybe 3rd generation, really, but the first that wasn't under the actual immediate shadow of the actual real hippie era.)

Remember the Hunter quote about things out front getting to be more and more sweetness and light as it got darker backstage? (From right around Brent's death.) IMO there was a distinctly semi-different culture to the late-era GD scene that has continued to evolve, more or less, in the jam band scene (from what I can tell.)

Maybe it's the difference between doing things the first time (60s/early 70s) and having roots in a continued counterculture that has evolved its own changing and yet persistent and somewhat self-conscious traditions in terms of dress, entrepreneurship, etc (late 80s-on); or between believing you might really truly change the world/start a revolution and just carving out your own space in a world you know isn't going to change a whole lot, so the kids they dance and shake their bones. (That's a whole long discussion, eh?)

I'm not saying Bad or Inauthentic, cuz I don't think that at all. But I'm guessing that's part of what folks are responding to -- the surface vibe of the jam scene (which I think is similar to the surface vibe of latter-day Dead) and how they react to or interpret that.

My younger brother, a musician, never cared for the GD in college (early 90s) in large part, he says now, cuz he wasn't attracted to the Deadhead scene at his school. It seemed, well, fuzzy and hippie-dippy and very much about being cool in a (to him) rather fatuous way ... dunno if it really WAS, but that's what his perception was. It's easy to mock that vibe as "happy hippie."

Another thing, of course, is those folks who DO like jam bands like Phish and relate to that latter-day "hippie" scene but don't care for the GD. Partly, I think, they're simply being adamant about their own era and identity, and preferring what they're accustomed to and which reads to them as more cool. I mean, if someone is 20, what are the odds they're going to be all excited by a band that was at its height when their parents were their age or less?!? If the received wisdom in their group is that "GD didn't rock it like Phish," then it takes an unusual person, at 20, to say, "Um, you're wrong." Either they're really keen on music or really open-minded (and open-eared) or just quirky ... or all three, LOL.

Anyway, babbling away ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-10-19 08:44:44

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

"then it takes an unusual person, at 20, to say, "Um, you're wrong." Either they're really keen on music or really open-minded (and open-eared) or just quirky ... or all three, LOL."

yep. I thought I was the only one at my school of thousands, then I met clementinecaboose. But he just got here and we're likely the only ones of our kind.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

Same school? No kidding!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

"But he just got here and we're likely the only ones of our kind."

hahah - sometimes I feel that way!!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

feel that way more. Its likely the truth.